Recordings & Info 204. Jamie Douglas
[For info and recordings of Waly Waly/The Water is Wide see 204A.]
CONTENTS:
1) Alternative Titles
2) Traditional Ballad Index (Jamie Douglas, also, Waly Waly/The Water is Wide)
3) Child Collection Index
4) Excerpt from The British Traditional Ballad in North America by Tristram Coffin 1950, from the section A Critical Biographical Study of the Traditional Ballads of North America
5) Folk Index
ATTACHED PAGES: (see left hand column)
1) Roud No. 87: Jamie Douglas (96 Listings- includes Waly, Waly)
Alternative Titles
Lord Jamie Douglas
Traditional Ballad Index: Jamie Douglas [Child 204]
DESCRIPTION: The singer laments that her happy marriage to Lord James Douglas has been ruined by accusations made by (Blackwood). She tries to convince her husband that she is true. He will not be convinced, and sends her away
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST_DATE: 1776 (Herd)
KEYWORDS: marriage separation lie infidelity
FOUND_IN: Britain(Scotland)
REFERENCES: (9 citations)
Child 204, "Jamie Douglas" (17 texts)
Bronson 204, "Jamie Douglas" (8 versions including "Waly, Waly")
Lyle-Crawfurd1 50, "Jamie Douglas" (1 text)
Lyle-Crawfurd2 113, "Jamie Douglas" (1 text)
BarryEckstormSmyth pp. 469-474, "Jamie Douglas" (notes and scattered stanzas, plus a text of "Waly Waly" and a part of Child A)
Leach, pp. 546-551, "Jamie Douglas (3 texts, but the third is "Waly Waly")
Friedman, p. 101, "Jamie Douglas" (2 texts, but the second is "Waly Waly")
OBB 87, "Jamie Douglas" (1 text)
ADDITIONAL: William Motherwell, Minstrelsy: Ancient and Modern (Glasgow, 1827 ("Digitized by Microsoft")), Appendix pp. v-ix, #III "Lord Jamie Douglas" (1 text)
Roud #87
CROSS_REFERENCES:
cf. "Waly Waly (The Water is Wide)" (lyrics)
cf. "Arthur's Seat" (lyrics: one verse)
NOTES: Although based on actual events, the stress of this song seems rather different from the history outlined by Child. That this song is akin to "Waly, Waly" is beyond doubt; too many of the lyrics of the former show up in the latter. "Waly, Waly" has, however, achieved a life of its own (despite the near-compete loss of plot), and so is listed separately.
Most scholars think this the older song, but there are those who hold out for the influence passing the other way -- i.e. that verses from "Waly Waly" have entered "Jamie Douglas." - RBW
Lyle-Crawfurd1's ending is like Child 204N: Jamie Douglas takes the children and goes to the singer's father's house after he had "hanged the Blakemoor The verey place where he told the lie." For the complete text behind Child 204N see the Motherwell reference above. - BS
Traditional Ballad Index: Waly Waly (The Water is Wide)
DESCRIPTION: The singer laments the effects of unrequited love and an untrue lover. Typical symbols include the rotten-hearted oak that looks solid but breaks and the beautiful flower protected by thorns. In some versions the lover is untrue; sometimes (s)he is dead
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST_DATE: 1714 (Ritson, _Scotish Song_)
KEYWORDS: love rejection lyric nonballad lament lover death
FOUND_IN: Britain(England,Scotland(Aber)) Ireland US(Ap,NE,SE) Canada(Newf)
REFERENCES: (24 citations)
Child 204 notes, "Waly, Waly, Gin Love Be Bony" (1 text)
Bronson (204), 8 versions (including "Jamie Douglas")
Percy/Wheatley III, pp. 145-148, "Waly Waly, Love Be Bonny" (1 text)
BarryEckstormSmyth pp. 469-474, "Jamie Douglas" (notes and scattered stanzas; the only full text is in fact this piece)
Kennedy 149, "Deep in Love" (1 text, 1 tune)
Logan, pp. 336-337, "Picking Lilies" (1 text)
GreigDuncan8 1918, "I Spied a Ship Sailin' on the Sea" (1 fragment)
Greig #173, p. 2, ("I spied a ship sailin' on the sea") (1 fragment)
Peacock, pp. 475-476, "Love is Lovely" (1 text, 1 tune, strongly composite, starting with a verse perhaps from "Peggy Gordon," then the chorus of "Waly Waly (The Water Is Wide)," two more which might be anything, and a conclusion from "Carrickfergus")
Leach, pp. 546-551, "Jamie Douglas" (3 texts, with only the third text belonging with this piece)
Friedman, p. 101, "Jamie Douglas" (2 texts, with only the second text belonging with this piece)
Sharp-100E 39, "O Waly Waly" (1 text, 1 tune)
Reeves-Sharp 108, "Waly Waly" (1 text, a composite of four versions)
Reeves-Circle 30, "Deep in Love", "Picking Lilies" (2 texts)
Sandburg, pp. 16-17, "Waillie, Waillie!" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #8}
Copper-SoBreeze, pp. 218-219, "Love" (1 text, 1 tune)
Hodgart, p. 143, "O Waly, Waly" (1 text)
Lomax-FSNA 70, "Love is Pleasin'" (1 text, 1 tune, of four verses, two of which go here, one belongs with "Fair and Tender Ladies," and the fourth could be from several sources; the whole could be a "Love is Teasing" variant)
HarvClass-EP1, pp. 323-324, "O Waly, Waly" (1 text)
PSeeger-AFB, p. 77, "The Water Is Wide" (1 text, 1 tune)
SHenry H683, p. 393, "The Apron of Flowers" (1 text, 1 tune -- apparently a collection of floating verses including one that goes here)
Silber-FSWB, p. 145, "Waillie"; p. 163, "The Water Is Wide" (2 texts)
DT (204), WALYWALY WALYWAL2* WALYWAL3* CCKLSHLL* WATRWIDE*
ADDITIONAL: Alfred M. Williams, _Studies in Folk-Song and Popular Poetry_, Houghton Mifflin, 1894, pp. 89-91, "Waly, Waly, gin Love by Bony / Lady Anne Bothwell's Lament" (1 text)
Roud #87
RECORDINGS:
Freeman Bennett, "Love is Lovely" (on PeacockCDROM) [one verse only]
Liam Clancy, "The Water is Wide" (on IRLClancy01)
Mobile Strugglers, "Trouble, Trouble's Followed Me All My Days" (on AmSkBa, classified there for want of a better place; it's really a collection of floaters, and could as easily go with "I Wish, I Wish/Love Is Teasing." It shares the verse "If I had wings like Noah's dove" with "Dink's Song," but not its distinctive chorus. - PJS)
Pete Seeger, "The Water is Wide" (on PeteSeeger18) (on PeteSeeger34) (on PeteSeeger47)
CROSS_REFERENCES:
cf. "Jamie Douglas" [Child 204] (lyrics)
cf. "Love Is Teasing"
cf. "Careless Love"
cf. "Died for Love"
cf. "The Butcher Boy" [Laws P24] (floating lyrics)
cf. "Dink's Song" (floating lyrics)
cf. "Oh, Johnny, Johnny" (floating lyrics)
cf. "Arthur's Seat" (lyrics: two verses)
cf. "The Water's Deep, Love, I Canna Wide" (floating lyrics)
ALTERNATE_TITLES:
A Ship Came Sailing
When Cockle Shells Turn Silver Bells
NOTES: Some scholars consider this a degraded form of "Jamie Douglas" [Child 204], with which it shares several lyrics. It can hardly be denied that they are related. Since, however, "Waly Waly" has worn away to a purely lyric piece (and some even believe it to be the older of the two songs, which has provided a few chance lyrics to "Jamie Douglas"), it is my firm opinion that the two should be kept separate.
Paul Stamler considers at least some of the versions of "I Wish, I Wish/Love is Teasing" to belong here. To me, they look more like versions of "The Butcher Boy." Still, it shows you how lyric this piece has become.
Under the title "Forsaken," this is one of the handful of traditional songs in Palgrave's _Golden Treasury_ (item CXXXIII)- RBW
The two verses shared with "Arthur's Seat" are neither common floaters nor verses shared with "Jamie Douglas": one is the title verse ("Now Arthur-Seat shall be my bed ....") and the other the Martinmas wind reference ("Martinmas wind, when wilt thou blow ...). - BS
Child Ballad 204: Jamie Douglas
Child No.--Artist-- Title-- Album-- Year-- Length-- Have
204 Alfred Deller When Cockleshells Turn Silver Bells The Cruel Mother & Other English Ballads and Folk Songs 1998 1:43 Yes
208 Blue Blokes 3 Lord Allenwater Stubble 2008 No
204 Bob Blair Waly, Waly Reaching for the High, High Lands - Scots Songs & Ballads 2000 5:07 Yes
204 Brenda Wootton & John the Fish Cockleshells Pipers Folk 1968 2:35 Yes
204 Buffy Sainte-Marie Waly, Waly Little Wheel Spin and Spin 1966 3:31 Yes
204 Burl Ives Cockle Shells Folk Songs 2005 1:29 Yes
204 Burl Ives Waly Waly The Spoken Arts Treasury of American Ballads and Folk Songs 1970 1:46 Yes
204 Burl Ives Waly, Waly Coronation Concert - Recorded at Royal Festival Hall, London, England 1956 No
204 Burl Ives When Cockelshells Turn Silver Bells (Waly, Waly) Philco's Friendly Troubadour - 20 Vintage Radio Broadcasts 1946-47 2004 No
204 Burl Ives When Cockleshells Turn Silver Bells (Waly, Waly) Philco's Friendly Troubadour - 20 Vintage Radio Broadcasts 1946-47 2004 No
204 Carl Sandburg Waillie, Waillie! Carl Sandburg sings his American Songbag 1967 1:57 Yes
204 Cynthia Gooding Waly, Waly Faithful Lovers and Other Phenomena 1957 2:30 Yes
204 Dan Zanes Waillie, Waillie! Parades and Panoramas - 25 Songs Collected by Carl Sandburg for the American Songbag 2004 2:49 Yes
204 Dee Strickland Johnson Cockleshells (Waly, Waly) The Unquiet Grave and Other British Ballads 1976 No
204 Diane Taraz Waly, Waly A Silver Dagger - Exploring Women's History Through Folk Songs 2008 No
204 Dorothy Carter Wailee, Wailee Wailee, Wailee 1978 5:15 Yes
204 Ed McCurdy When Cockle Shells Turn Silver Folk Festival at Newport 1959, Vol. 3 1959 1:43 Yes
204 Ed McCurdy When Cockle Shells Turn Silver Bells The Newport Folk Festival 1959 2001 1:46 Yes
204 Ed McCurdy When Cockle Shells Turn Silver Bells Folk Song and Minstrelsy 1961 1:42 Yes
204 Ellen Gozion Waly, Waly Awake, Awake 2004 3:23 Yes
204 Elspeth Cowie Glenlyon Lament Naked Voice 2000 1:24 Yes
204 Eva Cassidy Waly Waly Eva By Heart 1997 4:45 Yes
204 Eva Cassidy Waly Waly Wonderful World 2004 4:39 Yes
204 Fiona Forbes & Ian McCalman Waly Waly The Music and Song of Edinburgh 1995 3:57 Yes
204 Grace Notes Cockleshells Anchored to the Time 2001 3:30 Yes
204 Grace Notes Cockleshells 20 2012 No
204 Hermes Nye O, Waly, Waly Ballads Reliques - Early English Ballads from the Percy and Child Collections 1957 2:26 Yes
204 Isabel Sutherland Waly Waly Isabel Sutherland 1970 No
204 James Mason Waly Waly The James Madison Carpenter Collection 1927-1955 No
204 John Jacob Niles O Waly, O Waly An Evening with John Jacob Niles 1959 2:17 Yes
204 John Jacob Niles Oh Waly, Waly The Boone-Tolliver Recordings 2012 No
204 John Rutter & The Cambridge Singers O Waly, Waly Olde English Madrigals and Folk Songs at Ely Cathedral 1990 No
204 June Tabor Waly Waly Airs and Graces 1976 5:03 Yes
204 Kate Early Waly, Waly Mr. Versatility's Daughter - The Musical Celebration of a Heart 2007 No
204 Kathryn Mannyng Waly, Waly + Brittany .. 'Til Heartstrings Break 1998 7:47 Yes
204 Lorna Anderson O Waly, Waly Britten - the Folksong Arrangements 2000 No
204 Lorna Anderson & Haydn Trio Eisenstadt Scottish Songs for George Thomson I – Waly Waly Haydn Edition 2008 3:04 Yes
204 Lorna Anderson & Haydn Trio Eisenstadt Scottish Songs for William Whyte I – Waly Waly Haydn Edition 2008 3:32 Yes
204 Maria Anthony & Megan Hurt Waly Waly Thegither An' A' 2000 No
204 Marianne Faithfull Cockleshells North Country Maid 1990 No
204 Marianne Faithfull Cockleshells Live at the BBC [Marianne Faithfull] 2008 3:11 Yes
204 Marianne Faithfull Coquillages The Collection [Marianne Faithfull] 2005 3:41 Yes
204 Martin Simpson Lord Jamie Douglas Cool & Unusual 1997 2:31 Yes
204 Martyn Wyndham-Read Cockleshells Will Ye Go Lassie Go? 1965 No
204 Martyn Wyndham-Read Cockleshells Mussels on a Tree 1992 4:52 Yes
204 Martyn Wyndham-Read & No Man's Band Cockleshells Jackeroo 2008 No
204 Moira Craig Waly Waly Celtic Airs and Ballads - Traditional Love Songs and Laments 1996 1:53 Yes
204 Moira Craig Waly Waly Celtic Songs of Love 1997 No
204 Paul Clayton When Cockle Shells Make Silver Bells British Broadside Ballads in Popular Tradition 1957 3:11 Yes
204 Phil Cooper O Waly, Waly The Northland Waltz - Celtic Tunes Arranged for Guitar 2003 1:58 Yes
204 Phil Edwards Jamie Douglas 52 Folk Songs - Blue 2012 3:24 Yes
204 Raymond Crooke Jamie Douglas <website> 2007- 7:37 Yes
204 Richard Dyer-Bennet Cockle Shells A Richard Dyer-Bennet Concert - Folk Songs and Ballads 1962 No
204 Richard Dyer-Bennet When Cockleshells Turn Silverbells Richard Dyer-Bennet Vol. 2 2001 3:40 Yes
204 Robert Tear & Sir Philip Ledger O Waly Waly Britten: Winter Words - on This Island - Seven Sonnets of Michelangelo - Folk Song Arrangements - Canticles I-III 2002 No
204 Susan Reed Wailie, Wailie Susan Reed Sings Old Airs 1957 2:29 Yes
204 Ted Alevizos Walie Walie Folksingers 'Round Harvard Square 1959 1:51 Yes
204 Tom Glazer Waly Waly Olden Ballads 1952 1:03 Yes
204 Tossi Aaron Waly, Waly Tossi Sings Folk Songs and Ballads 1962 2:34 Yes
Excerpt from The British Traditional Ballad in North America
by Tristram Coffin 1950, from the section A Critical Biographical Study of the Traditional Ballads of North America
204. JAMIE DOUGLAS
Barry, Brit Bids Me, 469 ff. presents evidence that this song will be found in Maine. He prints a text (O Waly Waly) which derives from a song that Child, IV, 92 notes has shared stanzas with Jamie Douglas (Child A-M versions). Waly Waly appeared in Ramsay's Tea Table Miscellany, II, under the title Waly Waly Gin Love Be Bonny.
Folk Index: Jamie Douglas [Ch 204]
Rt - Waly, Waly
Friedman, Albert B. (ed.) / Viking Book of Folk Ballads of the English-S, Viking, sof (1963/1957), p102 [1820s] (Jamie Douglas)
Leach, MacEdward / The Ballad Book, Harper & Row, Bk (1955), p547 (Jamie Douglas)
Leach, MacEdward / The Ballad Book, Harper & Row, Bk (1955), p549 [1500s]
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