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June Apple/Train on the Island
Old-time/bluegrass banjo and fiddle tune. North Carolina, Virginia USA.
ARTIST: Straight Furrows In Uneven Ground by Sue & Andy Kardos and Ann Ragan (Hoehandle Records 001).
CATEGORY: Fiddle and Instrumental Tunes
DATE: Earliest recordings of Train: 1927 by J.P.Nestor and Norman Edmonds of Galax; also 1927 Crockett Ward and his Boys;
RECORDING INFO “Train on the Island”: Earliest recordings: 1927 by J.P.Nestor and Norman Edmonds of Galax; also 1927 Crockett Ward and his Boys;
Country/String Band: as Train on the Island: The Iron Mountain String Band (FW 2473c); Tommy Jarrell (CTY 778d); The Kimble Family (RND 0057a); Walt Koken (RND 0337c); Velma Nester (LC recording AAFS1343B1); The New Ballard's Branch Bogtrotters (HRT 109d); The New Lost City Ramblers (FW 2496c, VF 9003a); Matokie Slaughter (RND 0331c, MMC 9028d); Stephen Wade (CTY 2721c); The Ward Brothers (FW 3832c); The Wildcats (MMC 9015d).
Bluegrass: as Train on the Island: Ash and W (REB 1686c); Hazel Dickens and Alice Gerrard (SF 40065c, FW 31034c); Todd Phillips (Gourd Music 122d)).
Folksong revival: as Train on the Island: Atwater and Donnelly (Beacon 10133c); The Mother Bay State Entertainers (ELK 292a); The Double Decker String Band (MMC 9021d); Joe Hickerson (FL 39d); Peggy Seeger (His Masters Voice 1174 a).
Duncan, Josh & Ethel Raim (eds) / Anthology of American Folk Music, Oak, Sof (1973), p 96 Davis, Luther. Old Time Way, Heritage (Galax) 070, LP (1986), trk# 8 [1981/03/09] Double Decker String Band. Evolution Girl, Marimac 9021, Cas (1988), trk# 11 Edmonds, Norman. Train on the Island, Davis Unlimited DU 33002, LP (197?), trk# 2 Flat Mountain Girls. Flat Mountain Girls, Flat Mountain --, CD (2003), trk# 13 George, Franklin/Frank. Reflections of the Past, Roane RR 104, Cas (1995), trk# 1.02 Harold and Abe. Cornbred, Molasses and Sassafras Tea, Heritage (Galax) 023, LP (1978), trk# 1 Hart and Blech. Devil of a Row, Swing Cat 1618, CD (199?), trk# 9 Hazel And Alice. Won't You Come and Sing for Me, Folkways FTS 31034, LP (1973), trk# 6 Hickerson, Joe. Joe Hickerson, Folk Legacy FSI-039, LP (1970), trk# A.07 Jarrell, Tommy. Pickin' on Tommy's Porch, County 778, LP (1984), trk# 10 Jarrell, Tommy. Appalachia, The Old Traditions, Vol. 2, Home Made Music LP-002, LP (1983), trk# B.05 [1983/05/15] Kimble, Taylor. Old Originals, Vol. 1, Rounder 0057, LP (1978), trk# 22 Koken, Walt. Banjonique, Rounder 0337, CD (1994), trk# 5 Molsky, Bruce; and Big Hoedown. Bruce Molsky and Big Hoedown, Rounder 0421, CD (1997), trk# 14a Mother Bay State Entertainers. String Band Project, Elektra EKS 7292, LP (1965), trk# B.06 Nestor, J. P.. Anthology of American Folk Music, Smithsonian/Folkways SFW 40090, CD( (1997), trk# 82 [1927/08/01] Nestor, J. P.. Round the Heart of Old Galax, Vol 3., County 535, LP (1980), trk# A.02 [1927/08/01] New Lost City Ramblers. Rural Delivery No. 1, Verve/Folkways DW-90705, LP (197?/1964), trk# 9 Sampson, Harvey; & the Big Possum String Band. Flat Foot in the Ashes, Augusta Heritage AHR 004, LP (1986), trk# 1.08 Slaughter, Matokie; and the Back Creek Buddies. Saro, Marimac 9028, Cas (1990), trk# 10 Slaughter, Matokie; and the Back Creek Buddies. Old Time Music on the Air, Vol. 1, Rounder 0331, Cas (1994), trk# 13 Wild Cats. Galax International, Heritage (Galax) 067, LP (1988), trk# B.04 [1987/03/22] Train on the Island Prausnitz, Stephanie. Silberberg, Gene (ed.) / Complete Fiddle Tunes I Either Did or Did Not.., Silberberg, Fol (2005), p199 J.P. Nestor Recorded Bristol, TN: August 1, 1927-J. Preston Nestor, banjo; Norman Edmonds, fiddle Originally released on Victor 21070
RECORDING INFO “June Apple”: Brody, David (ed.) / Guitar Pickers Fakebook, Oak, Sof (1984), p 87 Alterman, Ned; and Richie Mintz. Alterman, Ned; and Richie Mintz / Bluegrass Bass, Oak, sof (1977), p55 Baugus, Riley (Alvin). Life of Riley, Yodel-Ay-Hee 038, CD (2001), trk# 6 Biehl, Chuck. Some for Love and Some for laughs, Biehl END 201, LP (1983), trk# A.04a Buck Mountain Band. Devil's Riding Horse. 44th Annual Old Time Fiddler's Convention, Union Grove SS-2, LP (1978), trk# A.07 Burris, Otis; and Fortune. Otis Burris and Fortune, Heritage (Galax) 073C, Cas (1989), trk# 9 Camp Creek Boys. Camp Creek Boys, County 709, LP (1967), trk# 7 Cockerham, Jarrell and Jenkins. Down to the Cider Mill, County 713, LP (1968), trk# 3 Crabtree, David. Fourteenth Annual Old Time Fiddlers' Contest, Green Mountain GMS 1056, LP (1976), trk# 21 Cutler, Marty. Brody, David (ed.) / Banjo Picker's Fakebook, Oak, Fol (1985), p 88 Dutch Cove Old Time String Band. Fiddler's Grove. Old Time Fiddler's & Bluegrass ... 1975. Vol. 6, Galaxie, LP (1975), trk# 31 East, Earnest; & the Pine Ridge Boys. Old Time Mountain Music, County 718, LP (1969), trk# 10 Feldmann, Peter. How to Play Clawhammer Banjo, Sonyatone STI-104, LP (1975), trk# 4 Fink, Cathy; and Duck Donald. Kissing Is a Crime, Likable 01, LP (198?), trk# B.04 (Train on the Island) Flippen, Benton. Old Times, New Times, Rounder 0326, Cas (198?), trk# 12 Flippen, Benton. Old Time Herald, Old Time Herald, Ser, 5/1, p42(1995) Gellert, Dan; and Shoofly. Forked Deer, Marimac 9000, Cas (1986), trk# A.04b Haas, Brittany. Brittany Haas, Ook CD 001, CD (2004), trk# 7 Hellman, Neal. Dulcimer Player News, Dulcimer Player News, Ser, 2/1, p21(1976) Herald Angels. You've Been a Friend to Me, Herald Angels HA1001, Cas (1994), trk# 9 Higgins, Uncle Charlie; and Wade Ward. Southern Journey. Vol. 2: Ballads and Breakdowns, Rounder 1702, CD (1997), trk# 8 [1959/08/31] Humphreys, Pete. Old-Time Banjo Anthology, Vol. 2, Marimac AHS 5, Cas (1991), trk# 14 [1989/07] (Wooden Legs) Jarrell, Tommy; and Kyle Creed. June Apple, Mountain 302, LP (1972), trk# 1 Krassen, Miles. Krassen, Miles / Appalachian Fiddle, Oak, sof (1973), p34b Levenson, Dan. Light of the Moon, Buzzard 2001, CD (1997), trk# 1 Marion, Carlie. Going Across the River to Hear my Banjo Ring, Marimac 9018, Cas (1988), trk# 4 Mearns, Molly. Hellman, Neal / Dulcimer Songbook, Oak, Sof (1977), p40b Michels, Amy. Fowl Farmer, Michels, CD (2002), trk# 12 Muller, Eric. Muller, Eric & Barbara Koehler / Frailing the 5-String Banjo, Mel Bay, Sof (1973), p74 Parrish, Pete. Galax International, Heritage (Galax) 067, LP (1988), trk# C.04 [1985/08] Perlman, Ken. Perlman, Ken / Fingerpicking Fiddle Tunes for Finger Style Guitar, Chappell, Sof (1978), p30 Pine River Boys with Maybelle. Wild Hog in the Woods, Heritage (Galax) 021 (XXI), LP (1978), trk# B.03 Pleasant Family. Old Time String Band, Pleasant --, CD (2005), trk# 15 Prisland, John. Hellman, Neal / Dulcimer Songbook, Oak, Sof (1977), p81b Red Clay Ramblers. Brody, David (ed.) / Fiddler's Fakebook, Oak, Sof (1983), p153 Reeltime Travelers. Reeltime Travelers, Yodel-Ay-Hee 034, CD (2000), trk# 14 Rizzetta, Sam. Dulcimer Player News, Dulcimer Player News, Ser, 31/1, p45(2005) Roth, Kevin. Kevin Roth Plays the Dulcimer, Folkways FA 2367, LP (1975), trk# 6 Sapoznik, Hank (Henry). Brody, David (ed.) / Banjo Picker's Fakebook, Oak, Fol (1985), p 87 Silberberg, Gene. Silberberg, Gene (ed.) / Complete Fiddle Tunes I Either Did or Did Not.., Silberberg, Fol (2005), p 99 Sisco, Carthy. Silberberg, Gene (ed.) / Complete Fiddle Tunes I Either Did or Did Not.., Silberberg, Fol (2005), p 99 Smith, Glen (West Va). Say Old Man, Marimac AHS 3, Cas (1990), trk# A.04 Smith, Glen; & the Mountain State Pickers. Fiddler, Bluetick BTR 101, LP (197?), trk# A.04 Smith, Hagger. 1941 Old Fiddlers Convention, Galax, Virginia, Voyage Beyond, CD (200?), trk# 10 [1941] (Red June Apple) Smokey Valley Boys. Smokey Valley Boys, Rounder 0029, LP (1974), trk# 11 Smokey Valley Boys. Brandywine '83. The 10th Anniversary Celebration of the Brand..., Heritage (Galax) 054, LP (1984), trk# 15 Trischka, Tony. Trischka, Tony / Melodic Banjo, Oak, Sof (1976), p109 Tuttle, Jack. Fiddler Magazine, Fiddler Mag., Ser, 1/4, p33(1994) Ward, Wade. Clawhammer Banjo, County CD 2716/701, CD/ (2002/1966), trk# 1 [1964/10] Ward, Wade. Banjo Songs, Ballads and Reels from the Southern Mountains, Prestige International INT 25004, LP (196?), trk# 7 [1959] Ward, Wade. Uncle Wade. A Memorial to Wade Ward, Old Time Virginia Banjo ..., Folkways FA 2380, LP (1973), trk# 13 Ward, Wade. Burke, John / Book of Old Time Fiddle Tunes for Banjo, Amsco, sof (1968), p18
RELATED TO: June Apple (melody of Ward versions); Wooden Legs;
OTHER NAMES: June Apple (melody of Ward versions);
SOURCES: Ceolas; Mudcat Forum; Rec.music old-time; Prausnitz, Stephanie. Silberberg, Gene (ed.) / Complete Fiddle Tunes I Either Did or Did Not.., Silberberg, Fol (2005), p199; Duncan, Josh & Ethel Raim (eds) / Anthology of American Folk Music, Oak, Sof (1973), p 96. JUNE APPLE SOURCES: Red Clay Ramblers (N.C.) [Brody]; Uncle Charlie Higgins (Galax, Va.) [Krassen]; Allan Block and Andy May [Spandaro]; W.B. Reid/M. Gaponoff [Silberberg]; Carthy Sisco [Silberberg]. Brody (Fiddler’s Fakebook), 1983; pg. 153. Johnson (Old-Timey Fiddle Tunes for Hammer Dulcimer, Fiddle, etc), No. 2, 1982/1988; pg. 6. Krassen (Appalachian Fiddle), 1973; pg. 34, 35. Phillips (Fiddlecase Tunebook), 1989; pg. 24. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), 1994; pg. 130. Silberberg (Tunes I Learned at Tractor Tavern), 2002; pg. 79 (two versions). Spandaro (10 Cents a Dance), 1980; pg. 37. Chubby Dragon CD1008, Brad Leftwich, Bruce Molsky et al – “Mountairy.usa” (2001). County 713, Cockerham, Jarrell, and Jenkins"Down to the Cider Mill" (Tommy Jarrell learned the tune from his father, Ben Jarrell). Folkways FTS 331038, Roger Sprung and Hal Wylie "Bluegrass Blast." Heritage 054, Smokey Valley Boys "Brandywine '83: Music of French America" (1984). Marimac AHS #3, Glen Smith – “Say Old Man” (1990. Learned from Tommy Jarrell). Marimac 9000, Dan Gellert & Shoofly, "Forked Deer" (1986. Learned from Tommy Jarrell). Tennvale 002, Red Clay Ramblers "Galax '73."
NOTES: The lyrics for June Apple are commonly used from “Train On The Island” with some verses from “Cindy” and other songs with similar form (like Shady Grove). “Train On The Island” by J. Preston Nestor (banjo and vocal) and Norman Edmonds (fiddle) from Hillsville, Virginia (Galax area) is a compelling and intriguing old-time breakdown. "Train on the Island" has become a favorite tune in the Virginia/North Carolina region largely due to the influence of Nestor's recording.
One of the Child ballads "Mattie Groves" or "Little Musgrave" is well known in the region and is similar in form and melody to “Shady Grove” and Nestor’s “Train on the Island.”
Train on the island, since I heard it squeal
Go tell my true love, I can’t hold the wheel
I can’t roll the wheel, love, it’s I can’t hold the wheel. JP Nestor
The stark image of a train on an island symbolizes a journey that is restricted. A train can’t go far on an island. The singer also has no control over the train and “Can’t hold the wheel.” The other recording from 1927 by Crockett Ward is sung to a different melody- “June Apple.” The mixolydian melody harkens to a Scottish lineage but the tenor of the lyrics is still one of isolation:
Train on the island don’t you hear it blow,
Go tell my darlin’ I’m homesick and can’t go. Ward Version
From Paul Brown’s Liner notes: Train on the Island is a tune that surfaces primarily in the area between Hillsville, VA., Galax, VA. and Mt. Airy, NC. Tommy's version is similar to that recorded in 1927 by J.P.Nestor and Norman Edmonds of Galax - reissued on the Smithsonian Folkways Anthology of American Folk Music (SFW CD 40090) and Yazoo CD 2028 - though different from the version that was once played by Wade Ward and his family, who were also from the Galax area. In this latter case, Wade Ward and his family set the words to what was basically the tune for June Apple (see the version played by Benton Flippen on this CD set). Matokie Slaughter plays a good version on Marimac CD 9028.
J. Preston Nestor recorded four songs in Bristol, Tennessee, in 1927 and never recorded again. Not much is known of him other than he was already dead by the 1970s when the fiddler on this track, Norman Edmonds, was interviewed by Stephen Davis and Robert Mobley (Old Time Music 9 (1973)). Nestor was invited to a second session in New York, but refused to leave his Hillsville, Virginia home. His fiddler, Edmonds, (1889-?) did continue to play. Nicknamed "Uncle Norm," he played with The Old Timers, a string band from the Galax, Virginia area. "Train on the Island" has become a favorite tune in the Virginia/North Carolina region due to the influence of Nestor's recording.
Both June Apple (which uses floating lyrics from "Train on the Island" and “Cindy”) and Train on the Island date back to the late 1800’s and the term "Train on the Island" might have been from an older unknown song.
“Edden Hammons, who recorded “Train on the Island” was born about 1874. Louis Watson Chappell recorded him in mid-August 1947, making him about 73. Note that the birth year is an approximation.” Kerry Blech
From Ceolas: Old-Time, Breakdown and Song. USA, western North Carolina, southwestern Va. (Galax, Round Peak). A Major (not D Major as has been said of Nestor and Edmonds' version): G Major (Kimble/Molsky). AEAE (Tommy Jarrell) or DGDG (Taylor Kimble, Bruce Molsky). AABB. A common "band tune" characteristic of Carrol and Patrick Counties, southwestern Va., say Tom Carter and Blanton Owen (1976), who remark, "this piece surfaces in the space between Hillsville and Meadows of Dan." J.P. Nestor, an early source for the tune who recorded it for Victor in 1927, lived near Laurel Fork, Carroll County, southwestern Virginia. In his book When We Were Good, Robert Cantwell suggests the name of the tune was adapted (by Nestor?) from the Irish reel "Lady of the Island." The title has become "distressed" among a few fiddlers, and has been heard as "Training Island."
NOTES “June Apple”: A Mixolydian. Standard or AEAE (Tommy Jarrell). AABB. A June apple is an early ripening variety of apple, maturing in the Spring in the southern United States. It tends to be smaller and more tart then later-ripening apples. The lyrics associated with “Cindy” are sometimes sung to the 'B' part. Tommy Jarrell learned the tune from his father, Ben Jarrell. Joel Shimberg points out that the lyrics to “Train on the Island” scan for the “June Apple” melody and are sometimes sung to it as ‘floating verses.’
Here are the lyrics to “June Apple” by Sue and Andy Kardos:
JUNE APPLE- Sue and Andy Kardos
Wish I was a june apple
Hanging on a tree
Everytime my true love pass
Take a bite of me
Take a bite of me my love
Take a bite of me
Everytime my true love pass
take a bite of me.
You ride the old grey mare
I'll ride the roan
You get there before I do
Leave my gal alone
Train on the island
Heard that whistle blow
Thought I heard my true love say
Yonder comes my beau
Going 'cross the mountain
I'm going in a swing
And when I get to the other side
I'll hear my true love sing.
Don't you hear that banjo sing
I wish that gal was mine
Can't you hear that banjo sing
I wish that gal was mine.
Charlie he's a nice young man
Charlie he's a dandy
Charlie he's a nice young man
Feeds the girls on candy.
Goin down to the river to feed my sheep
Going down to the river Charlie
Going down to the river to feed my sheep
Feed them on Barley.
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